Friday, July 25, 2008

Car seal open / close.

CSO Valves are normally used in PSV lines and they are supposed to remain open even in case

of its stem failure. So it is preferable to orient them in horizontal.

More on CSO Valves :

Regards,

Jitendra Surve


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RE: [piping_valves] How do bellow valves work ?

Hi all,

During a recent client design review, the client (Exxon Mobil) asked us to orient the stem of all valves with CSO (Car Seal Open) in horizontal position. Can anyone share the reason for this. Is it a thumb rule or it just client specific choice.

Deepak

Wednesday, July 23, 2008

PWHT - Caustic service

I hope some may be knowing the company named Denora SpA which was once a world leader in Caustic plants and had developed new electrolyser technologies which is used to produce NaOH from high conc. saline water. As per thier experience, PP piping, PP valves and PP coated pump casings and GREpoxy resin based equipments and tanks were used for NaOH conc. is greater than 20% irrespective of temp. For conc. more than 90%, especially in caustic flaking plants, Complete system is made of proprietary Nickel alloys especially of Outokumpu of Finland.

Sriram of the group may contribute more who has extensive knowhow in this area of caustic service.


With regards,
Kannan





"Bathula Raghuram \(Mumbai - PIPING\)" <R.Bathula@ticb.com>




At temperatures above ambient, corrosion rates of carbon steel become greater and is accompanied by a risk of caustic stress corrosion cracking (CSCC). Low concentrations of caustic can be safely handled by carbon steel up to 180oF/82oC, where CSCC starts to become a risk factor, while the safe upper limit for a 50% solution is approximately 150oF/65oC, although cracking has occurred at temperatures as low as 120oF/48oC. The Caustic Soda Service Graph (attached pic) is a widely used guide for determining safe operating temperatures with respect CSCC of carbon steels at various concentrations of caustic.

Conclusion: PWHT generally recommended by process designer for CS used caustic service, mainly based on two parameters, concentration of the solution and operating temperature.



Darji Nilesh (Mumbai - Machinery)

In Process data sheet, Process has asked to perform PWHT for Centrifugal pump Material due to caustic service.

Pump casing material is A 216 Gr WCB.

Can any one clarify why It is required !! any specific reason !!


Regards,
Nilesh.

Reduced Rating


Reduced rating is common where a conservative approach is applied in defining the piping materials while shaping the piping material classes.
Conservative... in the context of reduced thickness of pipes and fittings and having in some cases a reduced pressure rating of flanges. Subjectively, handling such cases is a little bit complex due to the nature of broad aspect of the parameters involved.


In a process plant, there will be few border cases of design conditions in the process streams, by which I mean the borders of the ANSI B16.5/B16.34 rating tables. On certain cases reducing to the next lower pressure rating will benefit a turnkey contractor, considering down the line cost benefit depending upon the quantum of piping involved in those streams. During such cases the piping material engineer who optimizes the PMC-piping material class concludes with process engineer to reduce the design condition.


In these border cases there are two aspects.
1) The simple safety factor reduction of the process condition judged by the process engineer.

2) The process stream may not be subjected to the defined design condition continuously, but on a cyclic or only for a short period of duration. ANSI B31.3 / 1 allows such temporary surging under certain criteria (Refer the code for details). Under such limitations, the piping material engineer works/designs the PMC with reduced pressure rating conditions also called as a STC - short term condition.


So in conclusion such conservative approach helps in avoiding Over Designing the piping system with the ANSI code as an excuse/backing. Addtionally, such concept has significance when the quantum of piping is extremely high and if the streams are in higher temp. ranges where material selection plays a very important role.


With regards,
Kannan


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Can you please explain about " Flange Reduced Ratings".

Regards

Srinivasa Murthy

Monday, June 30, 2008

Belled End Fittings - Surve Jitendra.


Create a spark to reduce labor, welding costs

For 70 years, factory-made, wrought butt-welding fittings were the choice for pressure piping systems, in shapes defined by ASME B16.9. However, in recent years, new metal forming processes have enabled the development of wrought socket-welding fittings.

By Ray Stubbs Jr., Bestweld Inc. -- Plant Engineering, 6/15/2008

For 70 years, factory-made, wrought butt-welding fittings were the choice for pressure piping systems, in shapes defined by ASME B16.9. However, in recent years, new metal forming processes have enabled the development of wrought socket-welding fittings. In 1996, those fittings were standardized in “MSS Standard Practice SP-119, Belled End Socket Welding Fittings, Stainless Steel and Copper Nickel” – more familiarly known as “belled-end pipe fittings.” The bodies of these are essentially the same as those in ASME B16.9, but the welding skill, materials and labor time to join them are far less extensive.

According to the American Welding Society and the Bureau of Export Administration, in their May 2002 report entitled Welding Related Expenditures, Investments and Productivity Measurement in U.S. Manufacturing, Construction and Mining Industries, labor typically accounts for 76% of total welding cost. Given the amount of welding involved in a typical piping system, simplifying the process can amount to considerable savings.

This simple change in pipe fitting specification can save 50% to 70% of the labor time needed in joint preparation and welding. Multiply that by each joint throughout the piping system, and this can amount to huge savings to the plant budget. And while significant economic advantages are realized, no sacrifice is made in piping system performance – and in some cases system reliability is improved.

Easing the fit and the weld

Cold-formed, wrought belled-end pipe fittings have expanded ends, creating a socket to receive the connecting pipe. This design allows them to be joined by fillet welds rather than the butt welds needed to join traditional pipe fittings. Both the type of weld and the shape of the parts make good welds easier to achieve.

Fillet welds can be done four to seven times faster and require fewer steps than butt welds. Much less joint preparation goes into a fillet weld, with no machining of parts onsite needed to ensure fit. Butt-welded joints require both pieces to be beveled at the point of installation for a precise fit of root geometry.

Pre-weld fit time is virtually eliminated with belled-end fittings, where butt-welded joints take a significant amount of time to fit. Belled-end fittings joined with fillet welds are more forgiving: where the shape and alignment of the two pieces may vary just a slight amount, welds can still be done successfully. With butt-welding, “out of round” situations, misalignment and mismatched wall thicknesses can cause problems in achieving a good weld.

In butt-welding, an interior backing ring may sometimes be needed to support the welded seam and provide a good surface on which to weld the two beveled edges together. The backing ring is tacked in place, and then weld material is deposited into the groove created by the two machined parts. Where a backing ring is not used, the two parts still must be fit into a jig and tack-weld before being final-welded into place. Joining belled-end fittings with fillet welds eliminates these preliminary steps. In addition, back-side weld joint gas inerting is often required for butt joints but is seldom needed for socket welds.

The ability to use a fillet weld at a lap joint between the fitting and the pipe instead of a butt weld also reduces the chance for burn through – a contributor to internal deformities such as craters, fissures and icicles that can affect process flow. Fillet welds are much easier to do and much less expensive to inspect. Most fillet welds are accomplished in one root pass and one finish pass, whereas comparable strength butt-welded joints require multiple passes. Fillet welds are inspected visually for size and slope, but butt welds are inspected radiographically in order to ensure proper joint preparation and root pass penetration.

Belled-end fittings perform

Today, B31.3, the piping designer’s most significant specification, recognizes the MSS SP119 fillet weld fittings as a cost-reducing alternative to standard butt welding fittings. The current edition of ASME B31 Code for Pressure Piping lays out design requirements for effective, safe and insurable systems. B31.3 Process Piping is “piping typically found in petroleum refineries, chemical, pharmaceutical, textile, paper, semiconductor and cryogenic plants, and related processing plants and terminals.”

But how does performance stack up? Fillet welds in themselves are strong, reliable joints; in piping systems using belled-end pipe fittings, the performance meets or exceeds standard pipe fittings. The fittings provide the same pressure and temperature limits as the corresponding butt-weld fittings. Manufacturers’ design-proof burst testing confirms that MSS-SP119 fittings have burst capacities matching those of ASME B16.9 rated butt-welded fittings.

The fillet-welded joint is stronger than the pipe alone. The cold-formed wrought fittings also better match the wall thicknesses of piping systems than cast or forged fittings, which tend to be rigid and oversized. That properly enables systems with belled-end fittings to flex more uniformly, distributing the stress into the sidewalls rather than the joints. This extends system life where fatigue is a concern.

U.S. Navy testing of the fittings discovered that the fitting bell contributed a significant reinforcement value to elbows. In fatigue testing of angular displacement large enough to produce B16.9 elbow failures in 1,000 cycles, belled-end elbow fittings lasted two to four times longer, the testing found.

Belled end fittings have Piping Code recognition: the current standard MSS SP-119 is referenced by B31.3, Code for Chemical Piping. Standard Practice SP-119 currently is being revised to include belled-end fittings in more materials and with thicker walls, broadening the application possibilities.

Belled end fittings can be used with standard wall and light wall pipe, and commonly are supplied in several alloys of stainless steel, copper nickel, titanium and aluminum. In today’s economy, labor cost outweighs component cost; even where special materials are used, installation and performance issues still make belled-end fittings a preferred choice.

Consideration of welding requirements during piping design will yield impressive benefits. Using belled-end fittings can help a manufacturing facility cut welding labor costs, reduce inspection costs and welding rework and build stronger piping systems.


Author Information
Ray Stubbs has been in the welded piping industry for more than 30 years, serving since 1984 as a founding partner and vice president of sales at Bestweld Inc. A producer of stainless steel and higher nickel alloy welding fittings for high-pressure, high-temperature and severe corrosion applications, Bestweld is a U.S. Navy ship parts supplier. Bestweld was named 2004 Supplier of the Year by Northrop Grumman Newport News and Northrop Grumman Ship Systems.

 

 
Use of fittings can help combat the loss of skilled welders

Choosing belled-end pipe fittings also can help plants address a major problem in industry today: the lack of highly skilled welders. Besides enabling faster production of good joints, belled-end pipe fittings benefit plant engineering departments because less advanced welding skills are needed than for comparable strength, butt-welded systems.

As experienced welders retire, a broad range of welding knowledge is leaving the workplace. New graduates show low interest in welding, while technology creates more uses for the skill. In a May 2002 survey by the American Welding Society and The Bureau of Export Administration, almost 50% of companies studied said the numbers of their welding trainees were not adequate to meet replacement requirements. More than 40% of heavy industrial manufacturing firms indicated that a shortage of qualified welders affects productivity either “moderately” or “extensively,” and approximately 30% of the firms in the automotive and construction industrial sectors indicated similar levels of impact, the survey indicated.

Lack of skilled welders also can inhibit manufacturing expansion plans, affecting the economy as a whole.

Welders with advanced skills command premium wages. According to an August 2006 Wall Street Journal report, graduates of welding technical programs can receive annual salaries in excess of $50,000. By specifying belled-end pipe fittings, the productivity of welding professionals, whether on staff or outside, can be maximized and costs can be minimized.




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Tuesday, June 24, 2008

Pipe Span Factors - a note by Hassan Hajitabar.


In general Pipe span is limited by pipe material (allowable stress),
sectional modulus (nominal size and Sch. of pipe) and weight of its content
and insulation and design temperature of the pipe system which affects
allowable stress in calculation of pipe span. In general pipe span is
limited by allowable deflection and allowable bending and shear stress. To
simplify pipe support spacing calculation MSS- SP69 has provided recommended
practice for support spacing which has been accepted by ASME. These spans
are limited to max. combined stress(bending and shear) to 1500 PSI and max.
pipe sag of 0.1 inch we use allowable pipe span as a general and primary
solution for supporting but some points should be considered in supporting:
1- All span should be adjusted based on available structure for supporting.
2- In case of change of direction in horizontal pipes you should reduce pipe
span. as a good practice you can use 0.75 of span.
3- Span should be decreased based on concentrated weight and load in piping
system such as valve and flange. As a good practice you can use 0.75 of span
for one element and 0.6 of span for two elements in piping system.
4- finally you should consider maintenance requirement(for example for valve
maintenance and removal) you should consider supports as possible as near to
valves).
Also I should note hear that occasional loads such as wind and earthquake do
not concern span of weight support because using span is used for dead
loads. For this loads stress analyzer engineer should use proper guide and
other dynamic supports such as rigid strut and shock absorber with careful
attention to thermal expansion and load.
When you see various recommended span for a same size it may means using of
various safety factor, various fluid content, various design temp. Various
pipe materials and other design objects in calculation of max. allowable
span.

In general we have:

L < (10 * Z* F * S/W)^0.5
In which
L= Max. allowable span(mm)
Z= Pipe sectional modulus(mm3)
F= Safety factor
S=Allowable stress in design temp(N/mm2).
W=Weight per linear unit of pipe(N/mm)
I hope these all are useful for you.

Best Regards
Hassan Hajitabar

Piping Engineer
Engineering Department
Iranian Offshore Engineering & Construction Company (IOEC)
E-mail:
Hajitabar@Ioec.com

Tuesday, June 17, 2008

A 197 cupola malleable iron.

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Cupola malleable iron is a blackheart malleable iron that is produced by cupola melting and is used for pipe fittings (probably in ANSI G49.1 I think) and similar thin-section castings.

 

The essential purpose of melting is to produce molten iron of the desired composition and temperature. For gray iron, this can be accomplished with various types of melting equipment. Cupolas and induction furnaces tend to be the types most commonly found in the gray iron foundry. The cupola was traditionally the major source of molten iron. However, gradual acceptance of electric melting has reduced the dominance of the cupola.

 

The following are the Grades of malleable iron specified according to minimum tensile properties (Source: ASM Handbook)

 

 Jitendra Surve Wrote:

Please enlighten me with your analysis of Cupola malleable iron A 197.

 
It seems to have low carbon content for malleability.

 
 
Regards,

Jitendra

Friday, June 13, 2008

Autofrettage of piping

The subject is more familiar to Stress engineers. Thought of sharing the basics with others.

The link below gives the basics behind the Autofrettage.
http://www.interlaken.com/legacysite/pdf/Autofrettage_ABCs.pdf

Though widely popular in other industries, in petrochemical field, the lines subject to high pressure piping such as LLDPE plants of Borestar technology of Borealis and LDPE of Lupotech technology of Basell have very high pressure piping which are in most cases licensor engineered items. General recommendation in such piping is to ensure that the piping does not fail under fatique loads. To arrive the pre compression stress equivalent autofrettage pressure limit, the pipe is analysed and plotted for various thickness percentage segments and how the stresses peak and drop, so that to arrive the optimum residual stress and the equivalent autofrettage pressure.


The pipe and fittings are subject to that resultant pressure and pre stressed before installation. Thus it is ensured that the piping can withstand higher fatigue loads and shock pressures of very high pressure services. Also observe the various stress curves on the attached snap of a sample analysis.



Stress engineers in the group are requested to share more of thier experience and views.

With regards,
Kannan.

Thursday, June 12, 2008

Fugitive emission in valves [Second part]


In continuation of the subject, also look into the uploaded files on the subjects by Piet de Later of Dow chemicals.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/piping_valves/files/

Secondly,  this regulation is to have strict control and leak resistance on the hazardous emission of dust, steam or gas happening due to the external leakages for the safety reasons and long term reliability of the valves.

For instance: Cd, Hg, Ti, CO, NOx  < 0.2 mg/m3.
                   As, Co, Ni, Se             < 1.0 mg/m3.
                   Pb, Sb, F, CN           < 5.0 mg/m3.

For ball valves max. leakage rates of 0.03 g.h-1 are allowed for substances involving a risk potential. The maximum emission rate of He = 4.99x10-2 bars cm3s-1 is deemed to be permissible after a 100,000 operational cycles with Helium test medium at room temperature under a 55 bars pressure. This could be achieved for example, by means of specific design of packing or by means of bellows and a subsequent safety stuffing bushing and with PTFE sealing, if permitted for the service condition.


With regards,
Kannan.

17-4PH cracking.


People involved in the valve application, take care before placing order to know the component materials of the valve. The 17-4PH usually used in the stem construction have failed like the below. Tyco valves has observed similar failures in thier inhouse research and has reported the same on using 17-4PH. And are not recommending this material unless specifically asked for.

As all suppliers and buyers do not take much interest in the small components of the valve, it will be the responsibility of the buyer to take note of these before ordering and the complete knowledge of the service involved. Alternatives would be FXM19, F51, F6a Cl4 depending on temp. and service.(17-4PH is 17Cr-4Ni-Pricipatation Hardened)

http://www.hghouston.com/x/25.html

(Photo attached for members not having net access.)



Nomarski intereference contrast photograph of the microstructure of a 17-4PH stainless steel sleeve bearing overlayed with sintered tungsten carbide. A hydrogen embrittlement crack has initiated at the overlay/base metal interface. A mechanical crack in the overlay permitted access of a corrosive downhole environment to the 17-4PH stainless steel base metal. Vilellla's etch. (~65X)

With regards,
Kannan.

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